Additions to 2D.9 Timing, Photo Finish and False Start Monitoring
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In the World Record Committee some aspects concerning timing were discussed, where it would be more useful to add them in the Rulebook than in the World Record Guidelines.
I would therefore like to propose the following additions to Rule 2D.9:
1. Current paragraph inc. subparagraphs 1 & 2 of the current rule
2. The placing and times of the riders shall be read from the Photo Finish image by means of a curser with its reading line guaranteed to be perpendicular to the time scale.
3. The system must automatically determine and record the riders finish times and must be able to produce a printed image showing the time of each rider. Additionally, the system shall provide a tabular overview showing the time or other result for each rider. Subsequent changes of automatically determined values and manual input of values (like start time, finish time), shall be indicated by the system automatically in the time scale of the printed image and the tabular overview.
In addition, I would add a note to both sentence 1 and sentence 2 to the rule:
To paragraph 1:
Note: A system that works not automatically at start and finish will not produce fully automatically measured times and therefore does not comply with this requirements.
To paragraph 2:
Note: In order to confirm that the camera is correctly aligned and to facilitate the reading of the Photo Finish image, the intersection of the lane lines and the finish line shall be coloured black in a suitable design. Any such design must be solely confined to the intersection, for no more than 20mm beyond, and not extended before, the leading edge of the finish line. Similar black marks may be placed on each side of the intersection of an appropriate lane line and the finish line to further facilitate reading.
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This is outside my experience, so I bow to your knowledge of such systems. Two things I can add here:
- In #2, "curser" in English would be "cursor" (unless it's not what I'm thinking it is; which is a moving indicator on a screen)
- Printed images are possibly an endangered species. But again as I'm not up to speed on timing equipment, possibly to leave as-is or maybe add "or electronic" for the image. Any such non-printed data should be saved in a minimum of two places so it is not lost due to technical issues.
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Thank you for reading carefully - it is indeed the "cursor" that is meant.
> Printed images are possibly an endangered species.
You are absolutely right - I took this paragraph from the athletics rules and I can imagine that this does not only mean physically printed images, but also printing to a file. After all, any digital image can be printed physically. However, I can have a talk with our athletics timekeeper, who is usually present at our unicycle competitions, if there is another intention behind the printed images in athletics. Otherwise, I like the addition that this can also be saved digitally/electronically.
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Agreed.
As to the format of the image, i.e. printed or digital: if we replace "a printed image" by "an image", it seems suitably covered.
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In principle, I would agree with you, but the sentence "The system [...] must be able to produce an image [...]" could also be understood to mean that it is finfe if this image is only be available internally in the software/system, which was not the intention. What was meant was that the image can also be made available externally - either by printing it out in physical form or by saving (printing) it to a file.
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Since August 15th is, as far as I know, the last day to submit official proposals, I would create an appropriate proposal for this topic later.
Regarding the printed images: I would wirte "[...] must be able to produce a printed image (in physical form or into a file) [...]"
I would guess that there is not that much need for further discussion here? If there is still a need for further discussion, please speak up - there are still two weeks left for revisions.
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I think if an image is "produced", it is available externally (either on paper or as a computer file). But maybe I misinterpret "produced".
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I would say that software could in principle also produce an image which cannot be exported from the software - apart from the fact that one could always make a screenshot. However, the possibility to print a file not physically, but instead to print into a file is actually offered by all operating systems, so I would have said that this is the simplest description to cover the export possibility.
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I'm not sure if you now agree with me, or if you maintain that just "produce" is not sufficient. I'm fine either way, i.e. to just state "produce" or to add "in physical form or printed to a file".
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I think only "produced" is not sufficient, since this does not include an explicit possibility to export - but if you agree with the current proposal as well this is suitable.
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Yes
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Since there were no further comments or suggestions for improvement, I assume that all committee members agree with the proposal.
I will open the voting and hope that all voting members of the committee will also participate in the voting.